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Hmmm. Interesting. I’ll have to have a look when we see each other at the Rendezvous—-hint—hint.
Thanks again.
Al,
Thanks to you and Dottie & Rick for the hints. Did not know about this product, but looks to have many potential applications (including seals around hatch acrylic). As to your scupper drain tubes, can we get access to all 4 of them through lockers and seat backs? I do get a little fresh water in the bilge after a good rain–the scupper tubes might be the issue. (Little leaks are a bear to locate.)
Alex,
As you can deduce from this forum, our Dickerson Owners Association is passionate about preserving our boats and their heritage. To that end, we annually produce the DOA Directory which preserves the historical record of each boat and it’s owners. By keeping it current, we can then in turn provide data on demand to new owners and DOA members.
All of that to say, that we would like your information (as you know it) and in turn we might help you fill in the historical gaps.
For example, we know that “Trilogy” was homeported in Burlington, Ont.
Please send me as much personal and boat information as you can, and in turn, the DOA will try to fill the gaps for you
One more data point. I just ran across a small picture of a beautiful aft cockpit D28 (or it might even be a 26) sloop (Hull #15). She has the same Block “D” with the size inside the “D”. (Can’t quite figure out whether it is a 26 or 28.)
This is a GREAT thread as hopefully we can shine some light on a few “open issues” and gain consensus on a inconsistencies across the fleet.
Whenever I can, I use an original Dickerson source for reference. In the case of “sail insignia”, original Dickerson plan drawings and/or marketing material for the D35 ketch, D36 sloop, D36 ketch, D40 ketch and D41 ketch all used a “Block D” with the boat size inside the D. Sorry I have no source for “Vignette” (D39) or “Chesapeake” (Bugeye).
The plan drawing of the D50 shows a “double line D” and 50 centered below the D although a picture of “Quietly” D50 #1 shows an italicized D with 50 as an exponent.
The D37 ketch is shown with the 37 inside the D just as the 35/36/40 and 41. The D37 sloop/cutter is shown 2 ways. The plan drawing and marketing material for boats up to 1985 show the D with 37 inside. Material produced after 1984 show an italicized D with 37 as an “exponent”.
In the case of “Lothlorien”, you are on firm ground. A black, block D with 36 inside.
As for me—I would like to see everyone use the block D with the size number inside (but that’s just my opinion).
Sorry, I should have used the correct terminology “Backyard Boat Builder Manufacture Identification Code” instead of “experimental hull number” to be perfectly accurate in referring to “Lothlorien’s “FLZxxxxxxxx”.
Federal regulations required all boats produced after 1 Novemenber 1972 to display “Hull Identification Numbers” consisting of the manufacturer’s identification code (first three digits[DBB for Dickerson]), the next five digits are the hull number (assigned by the manufacturer) and the last digits the date of certification.
My speculation is that your boat was produced prior to the requirement of an HIN (May 1972) and subsequently, the owner jousted with a bureaucratic buzz saw when trying to document his boat with the Coast Guard after the requirement was in place. You can understand the Catch 22. He needs an HIN, doesn’t have one, boat is in Florida, etc. etc.
A solution was to obtain a Backyard Boat Builder number from the state and submit that to the Coast Guard. That is consistent with FL (Florida) Zxxxxxxxx. Only speculation on my part, but it seems to make sense.
Hi Malone,
Our custom is to affix sail numbers by production completion–per boat class e.g. “Crew Rest” carries sail number 22 as the 22nd D37 produced. “Hemisphere Dancer” carries sail number 19 as the 19th D41 produced. The classes are by hull length without differentiation of single or double cabin. As I research the records, this is consistent with DOA protocols.
The records in my possession are only sporadically accurate from 1977, so there is a bit of “it looks about right” in this discussion. I can fix D36 sail #10 to ” Shalom”, D36 sail # 11 to “Corsair” and sail # 13 to “Compass Rose”–all 1972 boats. By default I think that “Lothlorien” is D36 #12. I’m sorry that the records do not reflect any of the names Paula provided.
As you are aware, “Lothlorien” is unique in that she carries an “experimental” Florida hull number (FLZH8685E772). Barring any objection from the membership, I recommend you proudly display sail #12.
Happy Birthday “Compass Rose”
Great post Garry! Particularly fun as many of us are heading to the 2012 US Sailboat Show later this week. We will be sporting our “Dickerson Gear” from the Treasure Chest so we will be easy to spot.
I had the honor of sailing with Ted Reed during the June Rendezvous Parade of Dickerson’s as I gave him the helm of “Crew Rest”. (You can see him smiling at the helm in the parade video….about 4:10 into http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-vPhWOXDaw) He talked very fondly of “Compass Rose”–it was obvious that she still occupies a special place in his heart.
And while I’m mentioning “Compass Rose”, video, and The Annapolis Boat Show, Neal Burtner proudly picked “Compass Rose” out of the crowd at the 2010 Boat Show during his cruise to warmer climes a few years ago (see 2:00 into http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKlQxh_QQCs&list=UUFVKMchwg7qFNHajHDX9pOA&index=16&feature=plcp
Trust this post brings a smile to your face on “Compass Rose’s” Big 40th. Thanks for keeping her young.
Hope to see you at the show!
Sorry that we are back in Hampton Roads and not available for tow duty, but I did stop in during a recent road trip and saw “Koshka” proudly riding in her slip at Gateway.
I’m sure somebody there can get you out of the marina and into the breeze. Just wait for a nice northerly.
Excellent topic, Mike–thanks. I have a few other data points.
On behalf of the Dickerson Owners Association, a few of us are in the midst of preparing a museum exhibit to celebrate and preserve the rich history and traditions of these boats and the people who built them. In that process, we have talked with several museum curators and historians.
Last summer, I visited and talked with the librarian at the Calvert Marine Museum on Solomons Island, MD. They do hold the original Earnest Tucker design drawings as you cite. This includes the Dickerson 35, 36 and 41. The Calvert Museum holds them based on a personal relationship that existed with Mr. Tucker’s wife.
Over the past month, I talked with the Chief Curator of the Chesapeake Bay Maritime Museum (CBMM) in St Michaels, MD who said that they were in negotiation with the Calvert Museum to have these plans transferred to them as a better home. Apparently, the CBMM has some Ted Graves drawings that include plans for the Dickerson “Simplissa” and perhaps the Dickerson 30 and 32s (I’m not absolutely certain about this).
Additionally, this year we have welcomed to our Association ranks, George Hazen, the designer of the Dickerson 37, so there is yet another source of information.
Finally, our group is talking with the Richardson Maritime Museum in Cambridge, MD as a potential home for our display. We will keep the membership informed as our work progresses. We are in search of the loan of any Dickerson models or unique artifacts for the final exhibit. Anybody has any–please contact me.
Thank you. I have that email address listed in our 2012 Dickerson Owners’ Directory to be distributed to our membership in June.
Al,
A great topic, of which I share your interest and would like to expand the inquiry. The D37 lead ballast is “external” and secured to the hull via embedded keel bolts. This creates a seam with the fiberglass hull. I am interested in how folks treat that seam during regular fairing and bottom repaint. Fill? Tape and grind? Disregard?
In answer to your question, I just sand and paint. But I bet there is a better answer—particularly from long time experienced skippers like “Imagine”.
Dickerson Owners’ Association members receive an annual directory that facilitates contact between owners and members.
For a little inspiration, you might want to check:
http://lothloriendickerson36ketch.weebly.com/index.html
The ongoing story of a similar restoration.